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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 555 this show is all

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about numerology lately I think for the

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9th of June 2019 richardsaunders here

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with you from a secret location a

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stakeout and undercover stakeout in

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Sydney Australia looking around me now

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interesting hmm maybe in the future

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episodes we'll find out more coming up

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on this week's show while you think

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about that we have an interview with my

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old friend Ben Radford The Skeptical

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investigator and one of the hosts of

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squaring the strange podcast he's going

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to be commenting on the latest news on

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Bigfoot yes there is still news about

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Bigfoot and an investigation by the FBI

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I kid you not what if the FBI got to do

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with Bigfoot find out when I chat to Ben

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Radford coming up at the top of the show

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after that some great news from our

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friend Brit Hermes over in Germany if

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you recall she was being sued by a

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naturopath we have some encouraging

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results from the trial coming up a bit

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later on in the show then I checked to

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the challenge coordinator from

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Australian skeptics Ian Bryce who is a

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rocket scientist amongst many other

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things and he recently had an article

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published in The Skeptical Inquirer

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magazine about cold fusion and looking

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like busting some myths to do with free

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energy and cold fusion then I had to

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Sydney skeptics in the pub which we had

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just the other night where I asked pub

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goers where they turned to when they're

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looking for good reliable skeptical

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information how do you learn things how

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do you find out about cold reading or

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cold fusion or cold feet or whatever you

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want to find out about online where do

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you turn we asked pub goers for their

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opinion and to round off the show some

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rotten news for our friends from in

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bigan books in Melbourne unfortunately

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that bookshop is closing down which is a

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great pity because it's been a bastion

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of science and reason in Melbourne now

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before we get into the show don't forget

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to visit

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WME nod calm day you may not has got

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some more live shows coming up in Sydney

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and just the other night here in Sydney

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we had a movie night with Maynard and

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Lance leopard and the crowd just loved

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a laugh a minute with Maynard Lance

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leopard morn movie nights coming up

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check out Maynard calm today you for

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details and tickets and if you're in

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Sydney I hope you can get along but now

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it's time what's happening behind me

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this is very interesting undercover here

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but now it's time for me to reach into

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the glove box and find a whatever got a

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peanutbutter sandwich I hope okay mm

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while I eat that and keep a low profile

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I hope you enjoy the skeptic zone

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and now joining me on the line all the

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way from beautiful Albuquerque New

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hello Ben hello there hello now exciting

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news for me I'm probably not very

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exciting news for you exciting news for

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me in a very few short weeks I will be

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visiting Albuquerque for the first time

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what can I expect to see oh yeah you can

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expect to see me cuz I'll be picking up

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the airport uh-huh

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I'll have a big sign that says the

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famous Richard Saunders now pretend like

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I don't know you and it'll it'll be fun

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clown um it all depends on my mood that

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Albuquerque oh we have so many things we

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wrong turn in Albuquerque and and if

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you've watched the the roadrunner and

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coyote wily coyote cartoons it's

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actually not that far off people people

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like the wily coyote cartoons with with

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the embellishments and the you know

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exploding acne bombs but we will have a

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fun time we will treat you to green

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chile and red chile and there's all

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which is the huge radio telescope that

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short time but we will see how much we

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can pack into that short time well you I

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your ability to bounce back after flying

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from Sydney to the States and back and

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conferences and I'm I'm just in awe of

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your of your durability it's all smoke

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and mirrors I promise you and speaking

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speaking of smoke and mirrors and odd

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sort of things like that it's come to my

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you that you were relating to that and

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this is an odd story the FBI have

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released files pertaining to Bigfoot

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what is this all about yes it is it's

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week or so and I came across the story

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of Fort thing and a couple other places

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and I didn't really I've been super busy

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much attention but all of a sudden I was

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being asked about it so I I I dug it up

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and and of course that the first thing

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that people people see are the

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sensational clickbait headlines FBI

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investigating Bigfoot you know according

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to recently declassified documents but

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sensational if you don't look too

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closely at it and what happens when you

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look closely at it

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he said advisedly yes so when you when

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you take a little bit of a closer look

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what you find is it's it's interesting

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but it's not quite as the headlines

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portray so basically what happened was

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that in the night in the in the

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mid-1970s 1976 those a prominent Bigfoot

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researcher by the name of Peter Byrne

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his in his 90s from that mistaken but

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there were there were a handful of

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really prominent Bigfoot researchers

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including Byrne and Grover Krantz and

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others but Byrne had a had some samples

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unidentified hairs and a little bit of

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skin that he couldn't identify and he

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willing to examine the hairs and see if

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the FBI wrote back and and this is this

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is part of the the trove of documents

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that the FBI released there's a guy

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assistant director for the scientific

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technical division and he said yes we

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didn't know we were the FBI so we we

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activities but every now and then on

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occasion if there's a question of

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general research and scientific enquiry

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we were willing to do that and with that

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in mind yes we will examine the hairs

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send them along and they didn't Peter

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the there was a response back saying

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that they were dear oh and that's the

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whole story

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oh that's what happened so it's yeah

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that's so the FBI didn't open a case

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into investigating Bigfoot what happened

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was that a a prominent fairly

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well-respected certainly 1970s Bigfoot

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researcher asked the FBI to examine some

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hairs and they said okay and they looked

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at him and they were deer and that's it

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you know been it really sort of reminds

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me of the time that people and you must

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get this - people will ask me you know

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in all the years you've been

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investigating the strange and the

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mysterious and ghosts and psychics and

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or whatever what is it that you came

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across that really stunned you and

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amazed you or made you change your mind

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or or whatever and I have to look at

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them and say well you know what nothing

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exactly exactly and you know the analogy

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course you've seen this much yourself

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where where there will be psychics and

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people say see see you know the police

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listen to psychics yeah and what they

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mean is that that there's a high profile

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missing persons case and psychics on

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unasked and unbidden will offer

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information to police and the police by

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very nature will take down the

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information and if it's even remotely

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credible they may look into it but that

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doesn't mean that the the the the police

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are using psychics it just means they

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took down the information and went on

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tangents here but that's all very that's

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conversation with somebody and they

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looked at me and they said well what

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about all the forensic psychics out

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there who solve crimes which you would

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get that sort of thing to but it means

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that there is a general opinion in the

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broader population that psychics solve

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crimes it's a given people just assume

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this is this is true so they look at me

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as if I've lost my marbles because how

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could I possibly deny that yeah how can

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you be so ignorant you call yourself an

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in-form skeptic yeah and yet clearly you

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haven't seen the via the one-hour cable

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TV shows that I have yes or there's all

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this evidence what's wrong with you yeah

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yeah well I mean we get that for all

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sorts of things but really I seem to

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people seem to comment a lot about that

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and when you tell them that they you

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know it's it's an urban myth it hasn't

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happened then it's very hard for them to

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accept that on the spot and I don't

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blame them if they don't I guess in a

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way they're being skeptical of what I'm

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saying right right no you're exactly

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right we have a lot to talk about Ben we

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have a lot to talk about in a few short

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Mexico I'm looking forward to seeing

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some of the local interesting sites and

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sampling some of that famous New Mexican

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chilies yes looking forward to it'll be

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the spot looking forward to it but until

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then Ben Radford thank you for your

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Hermes who's currently living in Germany

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from her web site called naturopathic

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Diaries natural categories calm

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confessions of a naturopathic doctor

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justice prevails cancer quack Colleen

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Hoover loses her defamation suit against

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me and this was published on the 3rd of

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district court lunga reached of Kiel

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Germany ruled against naturopathic

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cancer quack

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Colleen Huber in a defamation lawsuit

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she brought against me Hoover filed suit

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in September 2017 over my opinions about

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the dubious treatments and human

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subjects research at her cancer clinic

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in Tempe Arizona USA and also over my

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suspicions that Huber was cybersquatting

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domains in my name I was represented by

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dr. Daniel Cutts of the law offices

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courts first born in Dusseldorf Germany

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dr. courts specializes in protected

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speech media and competition law and is

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the only European member of the First

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Amendment Lawyers Association Hoover was

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represented by dr. Christian Seifert of

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the Law Offices jealous a foot in

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Frankfurt Germany in a blog post from

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December 2016 i theorize that huber or

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someone in her close orbit had

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registered domains using my first and

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last names to misrepresent my position

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on naturopathic doctors and the word

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doctors is in quotes you can view the

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archive of britt-mari home use calm from

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the 31st of March 2016 here and there is

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a link in my post I also wrote about

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Hoover's dubious cancer treatments of

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intravenous baking soda mega doses of

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intravenous vitamin C and a strict

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sugar-free diet

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hooba advocates against state-of-the-art

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oncology especially chemotherapy and

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radiation because she thinks these

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therapies strengthened cancer the post

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worth your time to read but at the end

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we have a thank you thank you

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exclamation mark exclamation mark

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exclamation mark I was able to stand up

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to Hoover's legal thuggery because the

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science and skeptic communities rallied

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around me

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the massive fundraising efforts led by

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Australian skeptics Inc allowed me to

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cover my legal

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bills so I could continue my PhD studies

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and focus on my pregnancy and birth of a

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healthy baby girl I actually found out I

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was pregnant the same day I learned of

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the lawsuit it is emotionally and

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mentally exhausting to go through a

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lawsuit I think all of you who donated

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to my legal defense fund from the bottom

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of my heart since there is a chance of

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appeal please stay tuned

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the problem with frivolous lawsuits that

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attempt to crush the rights of freedom

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of speech is that it draws far greater

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attention to the issue than would

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otherwise be realized it's called the

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Streisand effect colleen hoover chose to

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cross paths with me on a personal level

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resulting in her exposing herself to

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criticism from skeptics and scientists

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who find her conduct reprehensible at

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the same time she unwittingly boosted my

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profile which contributed to me being

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recognized last year with a John Maddox

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prize for speaking out about the dangers

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of naturopathy and promoting science in

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the face of hardship thank you again for

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your support I have been quite over the

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past year but I am now gearing up for

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more writing projects and speaking

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engagements and that is just a couple of

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excerpts from her post again posted on

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the 3rd of June 2019 and you can read

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all of that for yourself and much more

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by visiting WWE Pathak Diaries calm with

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a link in this week's show notes and

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Surf Coast spring skeptic Adam 2019 in

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September CS CCS is Australia's

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longest-running skeptic camp this year

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we are celebrating our seventh year

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skeptic camps are designed to give many

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members the opportunity to briefly

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twenty to thirty minutes present on a

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topic of their choice skeptic camps have

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been run in hundreds of locations and in

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many countries since the first one was

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held in 2007 in Denver the event will be

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at aireys inlet and idyllic township

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located on the Victorian surf coast come

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down for the day or make it a weekend by

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staying a night or two in the region

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either way just feel free to enjoy the

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location and the views at the end of the

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day we adjourn to the Aries pub for a

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drink a bite to eat and of course

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sceptical discussion it's free to

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register but we will ask for about ten

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dollars to cover the cost of lunch on

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the day financial support will be

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provided by dr. McVeigh --g founder of

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the event and the Victorian skeptics and

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that south coast spring skeptic camped

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for 2019 on the 14th of September from

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10 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the aireys inlet

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community hall for more information just

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google surf coast of spring skeptic camp

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or follow the links in this week's show

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notes folks I have in front of me

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the recent edition of The Skeptical

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Inquirer of course from the United

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States magazine for science and reason

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isn't that interesting because the

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skeptic spoon is the podcast for science

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and reason I might have nicked that

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byline from The Skeptical Inquirer many

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years ago vol 43 number 3 from May June

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2019 and I'm delighted to say that if we

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turn into the magazine itself or we keep

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flipping flipping flipping because I

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didn't bother looking in the index

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area and we're on page number 40 Rossi's

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ecat expose of a of a claimed cold

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fusion device by Ian Bryce Ian Bryce the

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challenge coordinator for this

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Australian skeptics congratulations oh

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thank you Richard you've got an article

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in The Skeptical Inquirer now in a in a

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nutshell or a nut case maybe can you

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tell everybody what this I I think we've

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discussed this before but just to remind

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us all what is Rossi's eek at all about

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and why did you expose it okay well one

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would think that a cold fusion machine

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might be impressive and developed by

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University and and perhaps in a big

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laboratory but this Italian invent it

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claims to have one operating sitting on

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his desk on his bench at home and that

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that wouldn't be very significant in the

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normal course of events but if you ask

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for backup on the credibility of this

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device he can give you a list of 17

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scientists all of whom have made

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statements supporting it so that's what

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got the skeptics involved so the basic

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claim

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and and correct me if I'm wrong here

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it's it's it's along the lines of free

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energy claim well not free energy camps

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claims to be nuclear energy released so

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to step away from free energy but so the

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his device when he demonstrates it but

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he can have it sitting there for eight

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hours plugged into a power point

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measuring the power coming out of the

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power point which is about 300 watts and

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if you measure the temperature of the

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steam converting water into steam and

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the and the flow of water going in and

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the temperature of the steam coming out

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you can work out that it's developing

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something like 3000 watts of heat so 10

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times the output as input and I guess

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that's what I was thinking free energy

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and your big people say that by my

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device and it'll run itself and yes well

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it's it's a step less than claiming over

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unity or free energy he he can describe

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the source and it's fusion the only

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problem is no one's ever harnessed

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fusion of any type hot or cold in their

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garage before and in fact his authorized

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biography says if he thought of it while

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he was in jail from the previous energy

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scam so yes yes said that's probably not

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the same as a professor in a university

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saying they got cold fusion on the disk

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doesn't instantly give you confidence

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that's it and yet 17 scientists

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including three NASA PhDs all gave

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presentations supporting cold fusion and

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low energy nuclear reactions and even

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supporting Rusty's device I'm at a loss

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to understand why they would do that

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because it's fraught with danger this

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whole cold fusion area indeed but rusty

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was able to give demonstrations many of

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them around the world of his device

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producing ten times as much output as

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input and the scientists we've got

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detailed reports from some Swedish

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nuclear physicists who saw it operating

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who said they examined every wire in

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every pipe and measured all the

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electrical power and the steam and the

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temperature and everything and they have

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no other explanation for the all that

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power except for nuclear fusion as rusty

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claims

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and we just turn now this is quite a

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lengthy article is that nine pages did

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you say something like that yes yeah and

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you've got some interesting diagrams

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here but I remember chatting to you

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about this ago a couple of years ago and

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how you examined what material you had

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and what was your conclusion yes

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fortunately a lot of these scientists

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and journalists have put photographs and

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videos of the tests online which were

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able to study in great detail dick Smith

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drew the skeptics attention to it which

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is how we got involved and an Australian

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entrepreneur approach stick for a lot of

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money to buy the Australian writes which

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would make everyone wealthy and save the

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planet so dick wrote back to him and

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said sure I'll invest my money in it no

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worries just show me a report from a

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scientist who says that his works and

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much to his surprise along came in the

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email the report from a scientist saying

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that it worked so this how it came on my

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desk anyway after a month or so of

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investigation I figured out what was

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happening how he was most likely doing

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it and the thing is the scientists were

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measuring the electrical current from

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the power point they're measuring the

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current in the active work and the

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voltage between active and neutral and

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anyone knows that if you multiply

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current by voltage you get power whether

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it's AC or DC what the scientists missed

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was that they were not measuring the

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earth wire now author 'the wires are

544
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:10,309
normally provided for equipment for

545
00:25:14,889 --> 00:25:12,049
safety so that if there's some short

546
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:14,899
short-circuit in the machine the case of

547
00:25:17,619 --> 00:25:16,370
the equipment won't become electrical

548
00:25:22,299 --> 00:25:17,629
because otherwise it could kill the

549
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,309
people nearby so it's my hypothesis that

550
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:24,799
he had retasked the earth wire to carry

551
00:25:31,509 --> 00:25:29,360
an extra power past the metering and if

552
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:31,519
this is true then that's pretty

553
00:25:34,779 --> 00:25:33,110
dangerous thing for the observers to

554
00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:34,789
have this whole apparatus in dangerous

555
00:25:38,529 --> 00:25:36,950
danger and all the water flowing and the

556
00:25:41,499 --> 00:25:38,539
steam and everything and all the

557
00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:41,509
instruments in danger of becoming live I

558
00:25:47,289 --> 00:25:45,320
guess another clue for us all is that

559
00:25:49,649 --> 00:25:47,299
this device not everywhere we're not all

560
00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:49,659
using it are we that's right back in

561
00:25:52,330 --> 00:25:50,990
2012

562
00:25:55,659 --> 00:25:52,340
Russy was made

563
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:55,669
that claim we often hear will be ready

564
00:26:01,000 --> 00:25:59,210
for production in six months so in 2019

565
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,010
he says will be ready for reduction in

566
00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:03,679
six months well that reminds me of all

567
00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:05,990
those years ago in it was in the year

568
00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:09,380
2000 2001 2002 our friends up in

569
00:26:13,779 --> 00:26:12,140
Queensland now they had the over-unity

570
00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:13,789
device and I can't remember the name of

571
00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:16,520
it it was called be there's quite a few

572
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:20,360
from Queensland there was the hydrogen

573
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:22,840
powered fusion care of Steven Horvath

574
00:26:29,139 --> 00:26:25,730
that's right and you won't believe this

575
00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:29,149
but his son is now has got a net a new

576
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,640
free energy invention that his marketing

577
00:26:36,399 --> 00:26:33,679
sells my next task a touristic original

578
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:36,409
one that was from the 1980s was yes mmm

579
00:26:42,399 --> 00:26:39,710
but the ones that I'm thinking about won

580
00:26:44,139 --> 00:26:42,409
the bid spin convoluted lieu tech free

581
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:44,149
energy generator now that was a real

582
00:26:50,019 --> 00:26:46,580
free energy machine produced output for

583
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:50,029
no input at all yes on the pair of

584
00:26:53,620 --> 00:26:51,890
permanent magnets so we we hopefully put

585
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:53,630
them out of business too well that was a

586
00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:55,070
long time I know but it was the same

587
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,020
thing they're getting ready for

588
00:27:01,419 --> 00:26:59,120
production any day now looking for a few

589
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,429
more investors and that they even made

590
00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:04,640
national TV it's it's astonishing that's

591
00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:06,200
right so that's why perhaps that's why

592
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:08,120
we need skeptics to be active and we

593
00:27:13,149 --> 00:27:10,510
need scientists to have a a curious bent

594
00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:13,159
we skeptics have always been a great fan

595
00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:15,500
of magicians and I've seen them perform

596
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:18,980
many times and they say to me Ian you

597
00:27:23,409 --> 00:27:21,289
can be easily fooled don't take anything

598
00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:23,419
at face value and they said we'll give

599
00:27:29,019 --> 00:27:25,700
you some clues if you think you're being

600
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:29,029
tricked don't look for hidden machinery

601
00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:31,370
and compressed air and microwaves and

602
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,990
things look for something in plain view

603
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:35,360
that's being used in a manner you don't

604
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:38,750
expect hidden in plain view and so

605
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:41,350
that's what led me to the earth wire so

606
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:45,110
now I would imagine since it's been

607
00:27:49,389 --> 00:27:46,840
published in The Skeptical Inquirer

608
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:49,399
there must be some of the scientists who

609
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,370
have given their there

610
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:53,200
endorsement to this product they must

611
00:27:58,740 --> 00:27:54,910
have read this by now they must be aware

612
00:28:00,180 --> 00:27:58,750
you know we hope sir yes so one thing I

613
00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:00,190
say in the article is I call upon all

614
00:28:04,290 --> 00:28:02,200
these scientists to re-examine the

615
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,300
evidence and to retract this statement

616
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:06,880
supporting the e cap hopefully this will

617
00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:10,060
put an end to the charade because even

618
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:12,280
he's still calling for investments and

619
00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:13,930
on my calculations he's received

620
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:15,750
something like thirty million dollars

621
00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:18,640
from investors now they some of those

622
00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:22,120
might have been scamsters hoping for a

623
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:24,190
quick buck by on selling something that

624
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:26,110
appears to work but a lot of them would

625
00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:28,150
have been ordinary people looking to put

626
00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:30,700
money into something to save the planet

627
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:34,600
to reduce our greenhouse gas footprint

628
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:37,030
and that money could have been put on a

629
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:38,710
better wind farm or a better battery

630
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:43,030
yeah that reminds me of a time you went

631
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:45,490
up to the north coast of New South Wales

632
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:47,670
five six seven years ago to mullen min B

633
00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:51,520
it was this the Rossi was this a very

634
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:53,740
was that that was that that was the

635
00:28:59,820 --> 00:28:57,210
first though early in the piece when a

636
00:29:02,550 --> 00:28:59,830
guy in Mullen bimby was hoping to be the

637
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:02,560
Australian representative and his heart

638
00:29:05,550 --> 00:29:04,420
was in the right place and this is what

639
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:05,560
you're saying a lot of people have their

640
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,820
heart in the right place I want to save

641
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:09,520
the planet they want to cut carbon

642
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,080
emissions and all the rest of it and

643
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:13,600
someone comes along with a gold tooth

644
00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:17,320
and says here's my device yes and fills

645
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:19,990
them all that was an interesting case

646
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,930
because that that investor then had

647
00:29:26,490 --> 00:29:24,880
approached Dick Smith for about half a

648
00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:26,500
million dollars divided the Australian

649
00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:29,230
rights plus a bit of working capital for

650
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:32,740
his retirement fund and so I went up

651
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:36,970
there and told him I didn't know quite

652
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,530
know then was the earth why but I told

653
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:39,760
them there was a lot that was suspicious

654
00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:41,710
about this and they should hold off

655
00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:43,480
investing until we found out what it is

656
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:45,700
which will we did in a few weeks find

657
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:47,020
out what it was

658
00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:49,720
now that spoiled that guy's investment

659
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:52,540
plan I'm afraid but what happened then

660
00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:54,910
was rusty sought out different investors

661
00:30:00,120 --> 00:29:56,470
in Australia and he found another guy

662
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:00,130
agent number two and that and I warned

663
00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:02,530
him I told him that this this is likely

664
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:04,600
to be a scam

665
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:09,120
however he went on to get $700,000 u.s.

666
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:13,450
from his own capital and from family

667
00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:15,610
members and other investors which he

668
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:18,220
sent off to Rossi for rights to sell it

669
00:30:23,999 --> 00:30:20,169
in Australia and Asia and Japan and

670
00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:24,009
South Africa and so forth yeah so what

671
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,480
do you think his chances are seeing his

672
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:26,799
hundred thousand seven hundred thousand

673
00:30:31,499 --> 00:30:28,809
dollars again I think they're very low

674
00:30:34,769 --> 00:30:31,509
and recently I contacted the first

675
00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:34,779
investor again and said look you realize

676
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:36,460
we saved you seven hundred thousand

677
00:30:40,139 --> 00:30:38,350
dollars if we because you could have

678
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:40,149
gone ahead and he said you guys ruined

679
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:43,450
me so he blames blames you it blames the

680
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:45,250
skeptic that's right blames the skeptics

681
00:30:48,629 --> 00:30:46,870
for saving him seven hundred thousand

682
00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:48,639
dollars between would have otherwise

683
00:30:55,289 --> 00:30:51,940
good so some people hope it hard to make

684
00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:55,299
an impression on yeah well again if you

685
00:30:58,889 --> 00:30:57,190
think you're doing the right thing and

686
00:31:00,659 --> 00:30:58,899
you think you're on a good business

687
00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:00,669
opportunity at the same time and someone

688
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:02,440
like you comes on mr. smartypants

689
00:31:07,259 --> 00:31:05,500
skeptics and puts cold war on it I guess

690
00:31:10,049 --> 00:31:07,269
yeah I guess I can see why they would

691
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:10,059
react that way yes indeed but anyway

692
00:31:13,289 --> 00:31:11,440
it's a lot of fun investigating these

693
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:13,299
things and the most we can do is

694
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:15,250
publicize our findings and put out

695
00:31:19,289 --> 00:31:16,809
reports there whether they're favorable

696
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,299
or not tell you what as you've often

697
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:21,279
said Richard if we were to find a

698
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,070
genuine phenomenon that lay outside

699
00:31:27,899 --> 00:31:27,039
known science and did something new to

700
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:27,909
help save the planet

701
00:31:32,249 --> 00:31:29,980
the skeptics would be delighted we'd be

702
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:32,259
happy to hand over our $100,000 prize

703
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:36,700
which we have available and we'd be

704
00:31:41,789 --> 00:31:39,190
happy if this was real to have our name

705
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:41,799
a name associated with it yes and and

706
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:44,590
I've also made the argument many times

707
00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:47,590
oh that maybe maybe that's Rossi on the

708
00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:51,669
phone now many times people say do I say

709
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:52,870
you don't want to find something

710
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,820
supernatural or something like that

711
00:32:00,690 --> 00:31:57,360
money's not real I said look if we did I

712
00:32:02,999 --> 00:32:00,700
could approach any media outlet and say

713
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:03,009
I tell you I'll sell my story to you

714
00:32:06,509 --> 00:32:04,450
because I've discovered a ghost for

715
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:06,519
300,000 dollars or a million dollars and

716
00:32:11,549 --> 00:32:08,590
I would probably get paid vast amounts

717
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:11,559
of money so there's many reasons why

718
00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:14,620
we'd like to find something there is a

719
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:16,400
financial reason it would pay

720
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:19,190
would pay us yes and Rossi's latest

721
00:32:24,430 --> 00:32:21,170
machine one of his intermediate machines

722
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:24,440
was a one megawatt reactor like previous

723
00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:26,840
claims of cold fusion have claimed a

724
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:29,780
total of 26 milli watts of power now you

725
00:32:31,690 --> 00:32:31,250
would know that that's a microscopic the

726
00:32:33,549 --> 00:32:31,700
best

727
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:33,559
what if league exerts in lifting us

728
00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:36,530
league but Rossi was nothing if not

729
00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:38,420
ambitious his first machine produced

730
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:41,420
three kilowatts of power kilowatt that's

731
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,809
compared to 26 milli watts yeah and one

732
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:47,120
of the machines he was selling is the

733
00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:51,650
mega watt device which produced there

734
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,960
actually half a half a megawatt oh

735
00:32:58,450 --> 00:32:56,000
there's the essenes just hoping for that

736
00:33:00,250 --> 00:32:58,460
one mega watt e-cat built into a blue

737
00:33:02,919 --> 00:33:00,260
shipping container holds a million watts

738
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:02,929
and not 26 milli watts but a million was

739
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:05,570
wow that looks impressive doesn't it yes

740
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:07,490
now he claimed to have sold that the

741
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:09,050
problem is if you keep track of what he

742
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:13,460
says he sold it several times and he

743
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:15,250
wasn't able to name any of the buyers

744
00:33:21,940 --> 00:33:18,170
well it's very confidential using look

745
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:21,950
folks if you're interested in the

746
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:24,200
Australian skeptics investigations into

747
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:25,970
this sort of thing to free energy to

748
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:28,010
cold fusion whatever have a look at the

749
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:31,250
latest issue of The Skeptical Inquirer I

750
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:33,770
know again crate me if I'm wrong but

751
00:33:37,419 --> 00:33:35,990
you've you've covered the similar sort

752
00:33:39,070 --> 00:33:37,429
of stories many times in the pages of

753
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:39,080
the skeptic our own journal haven't you

754
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:42,020
I have indeed yes in this case I write

755
00:33:47,410 --> 00:33:45,740
about this in a skeptic in 2012 and a

756
00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:47,420
number of people pointed out that Russy

757
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:51,320
was still in business overseas spreading

758
00:33:55,330 --> 00:33:52,730
his device and getting more investors

759
00:33:56,830 --> 00:33:55,340
money so clearly that our previous

760
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,840
publicity wasn't enough to put him out

761
00:34:00,880 --> 00:33:58,640
of business at this time we're going a

762
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:00,890
step further yeah what the skeptical

763
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:02,510
inquirer I would imagine would have a

764
00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:08,889
larger circulation but even still it is

765
00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:11,840
amazingly difficult to put these people

766
00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:14,149
out of businesses and it really it is

767
00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:15,800
indeed yes there's there's several

768
00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:18,830
analogies like the is it the Hydra with

769
00:34:24,220 --> 00:34:20,300
seven heads I think you cut off one head

770
00:34:28,450 --> 00:34:24,230
and it throws another one another one is

771
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:28,460
reka mold you know the story we play

772
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:30,839
welcome all a lot

773
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:32,250
wherever you whack them they'll pop up

774
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,220
somewhere else but we keep track we have

775
00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:36,960
a lot of fun as well so we make good

776
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:39,659
contacts anyway congratulations even

777
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:40,950
it's great to have an article published

778
00:34:47,779 --> 00:34:44,010
in The Skeptical Inquirer and I always

779
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:47,789
like to boast I always open up the first

780
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:50,490
page and run my finger down and in fact

781
00:34:57,019 --> 00:34:52,529
you're a fellow fellow there's my name

782
00:34:59,269 --> 00:34:57,029
right there so once again folks have a

783
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,279
look at the article yourself nine pages

784
00:35:12,049 --> 00:35:01,740
of full report by n Bryce in thank you

785
00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,059
thanks Richard Alaura ciao mi chiamo

786
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:14,579
profesora de vo Tuvalu incendiary -

787
00:35:21,339 --> 00:35:17,220
teleca's sulla Shayne's para la moda

788
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:21,349
physica Dickie mica Bo Jia astronomia

789
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:25,260
mathematica atonte ultra cozy guarda me

790
00:35:29,269 --> 00:35:27,089
Sulu tuba arrivederci

791
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:29,279
hey everyone this is Professor Dave I

792
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:30,990
want to teach you about all kinds of

793
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:32,730
things regarding science I want to tell

794
00:35:38,059 --> 00:35:34,650
you about physics I want to tell you

795
00:35:40,789 --> 00:35:38,069
about chemistry biology astronomy math

796
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,799
and many many more things come check me

797
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:42,480
out on youtube the channel is called

798
00:36:07,329 --> 00:36:05,769
explain alright we're hearing skeptics

799
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:07,339
in the pub the first Thursday of the

800
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:09,140
month are here in their Occidental hotel

801
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:14,630
in Sydney next month in July it promises

802
00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:15,890
to be one of the biggest nights we've

803
00:36:20,979 --> 00:36:18,200
ever had here more news on that when it

804
00:36:23,799 --> 00:36:20,989
becomes official oh yes people looking

805
00:36:25,779 --> 00:36:23,809
at me now skeptically tonight the

806
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:25,789
question is we had to talk about matter

807
00:36:30,999 --> 00:36:29,180
of fact dot IO right that's the website

808
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:31,009
I passionately talked about gathering

809
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:33,410
information on the internet how you

810
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:35,450
discriminate would should you go you're

811
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:36,410
obviously here because you're a

812
00:36:42,219 --> 00:36:40,249
sceptical fellow what what course do you

813
00:36:44,759 --> 00:36:42,229
normally take when you want to look up

814
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,769
something on skepticism where do you go

815
00:36:52,049 --> 00:36:47,119
if I'm really serious about a particular

816
00:36:54,609 --> 00:36:52,059
topic I will look up the usual places of

817
00:36:56,799 --> 00:36:54,619
confirming my biases and stuff and then

818
00:36:58,599 --> 00:36:56,809
I'll try to prove it wrong really and

819
00:37:03,249 --> 00:36:58,609
then you can sort of like work out from

820
00:37:05,469 --> 00:37:03,259
there what what the sort of consensus is

821
00:37:09,279 --> 00:37:05,479
what side seems to have the better facts

822
00:37:10,809 --> 00:37:09,289
what sighs seems seems to know what

823
00:37:13,269 --> 00:37:10,819
they're talking about and then if you're

824
00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:13,279
even more serious you go and ask someone

825
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:15,829
well that's always an option but have

826
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:17,779
you gained your skeptical knowledge over

827
00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:19,130
the years I mean you'd have a working

828
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:20,749
knowledge about general skepticism I

829
00:37:31,059 --> 00:37:26,089
would imagine I think it's like getting

830
00:37:32,349 --> 00:37:31,069
tricked a lot yeah falling from falling

831
00:37:34,959 --> 00:37:32,359
for things and later finding out that

832
00:37:36,849 --> 00:37:34,969
that was not actually true I do like the

833
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:36,859
good old stuff like pyramid power and

834
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:38,940
UFOs and monsters and that's

835
00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:41,880
absolutely I mean do you mean they're

836
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:45,120
false are you telling me I'm not saying

837
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:49,500
anything but so for example I mean I was

838
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:50,910
into that before the internet because

839
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,180
I'm that old but for you learning about

840
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:55,680
that all that sort of good stuff where

841
00:38:00,080 --> 00:37:58,380
how did you gather that information yeah

842
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:00,090
I suppose the pyramids were a bit before

843
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:04,530
my time out I don't know books in

844
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:07,470
Wikipedia reddit is pretty good for

845
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:10,470
having having people argue about topics

846
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,490
is usually pretty good because then

847
00:38:16,340 --> 00:38:12,960
they're motivated to get the benefits

848
00:38:20,330 --> 00:38:16,350
what about things like YouTube it's a

849
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,340
pretty rough place to be honest yeah it

850
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:22,500
is but I guess I mean there's lots of

851
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:26,730
things like documentaries by James Randi

852
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,770
and things like that which I would tend

853
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,960
to view yeah if you find particular

854
00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:33,780
people that are knowledgeable it's good

855
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,750
to follow those I really like this as a

856
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,400
science journalist potholer

857
00:38:42,590 --> 00:38:40,140
he's got a YouTube channel about global

858
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:42,600
warming and stuff his series about

859
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,790
global warming is just amazing and he

860
00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:48,000
does a lot of debunking pothole of $54

861
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:50,790
54 indeed he's been on the skeptic zone

862
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,830
many years ago and he was the guest once

863
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:55,320
at one of our conventions yeah he's just

864
00:38:59,300 --> 00:38:57,930
top-notch well everything in fact folks

865
00:39:01,490 --> 00:38:59,310
are linked to him in the in this week's

866
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,500
show notes and it's always worth

867
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:03,300
visiting and subscribing here's one of

868
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:06,330
the best potholer 54 absolutely thank

869
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:08,330
you no worse

870
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:11,240
I'll have fun three what's yeah people

871
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:12,770
are insulting because I'm wearing a

872
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:15,230
dinner jacket tonight you look very

873
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:16,790
smart thank you very much

874
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:18,380
the Knights question gentlemen is where

875
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:20,300
do you normally go after hearing

876
00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:21,470
tonight's talk about looking for

877
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:23,180
information on internet where do you

878
00:39:27,610 --> 00:39:25,240
normally go to to get your skeptical

879
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:27,620
information tim Mendham well I'm gonna

880
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:29,960
go straight back to Google and look up

881
00:39:34,930 --> 00:39:33,200
matter fact and you know Google had a

882
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:34,940
gaga I think I think I will actually yes

883
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:35,930
thank you very much yes

884
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:37,970
talking too much cooking right where do

885
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:40,850
I get my information yeah I make it up I

886
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:43,400
know you read it in the pages of the

887
00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:45,710
skeptic magazine absolutely that's why

888
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:48,020
my one number one reliable source

889
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,120
thank you Jim and Richard where you

890
00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:51,920
normally go to you we've had somebody's

891
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,590
comment that they might visit YouTube to

892
00:39:59,530 --> 00:39:57,040
get skeptical information do you do that

893
00:40:01,660 --> 00:39:59,540
I've used all those things I've used

894
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:01,670
Google and YouTube and um

895
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:07,930
skeptics got to the universe yes oh yeah

896
00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:12,400
yeah I mean over time you develop a a

897
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:15,620
sort of a relationship you get to know

898
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:18,890
who who the good sources are and who

899
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:22,130
they're not so good yeah and you find

900
00:40:26,110 --> 00:40:23,780
yourself going to Wikipedia much for

901
00:40:29,230 --> 00:40:26,120
information um yeah I've done that too

902
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:29,240
yeah so well there's a wealth of

903
00:40:34,270 --> 00:40:31,720
information that the trick is

904
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,280
determining which is the good stuff yeah

905
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:40,329
hello and tonight's question is we're

906
00:40:44,049 --> 00:40:42,410
asking people after hearing tonight's

907
00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:44,059
talk you're obviously here because

908
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:46,579
you're a sceptical fellow of a skeptical

909
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:48,730
mindset but if you want to research

910
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:51,380
skepticism so you got your facts right

911
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:53,049
or at least have a working understanding

912
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,910
where do you turn to first do you have

913
00:41:00,430 --> 00:40:58,160
books do you rely on YouTube is it

914
00:41:02,650 --> 00:41:00,440
something like Wikipedia yeah I think

915
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:02,660
generally it's I think it's important to

916
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:04,849
to seek out experts in their field

917
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,680
obviously which can be very difficult

918
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:11,359
I've found what's helpful is finding out

919
00:41:19,859 --> 00:41:15,230
where not to look not to look yeah so so

920
00:41:22,359 --> 00:41:19,869
things but websites like natural news

921
00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:22,369
for example and there's a lot of

922
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:25,430
misinformation out there in disguise and

923
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:28,700
so it often masquerades as as real

924
00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:32,089
science and I think you know them the

925
00:41:39,849 --> 00:41:34,460
more you sort of develop your critical

926
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:39,859
thinking skills the more the BS seems to

927
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,630
rise to the top and is easier to spot so

928
00:41:49,210 --> 00:41:47,359
so I think I don't think there's any one

929
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,220
website or anything that I go to

930
00:41:55,150 --> 00:41:51,680
necessarily but I generally seek out

931
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:55,160
experts in their field other skeptical

932
00:42:02,259 --> 00:42:00,319
podcasts scientists I think the the

933
00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:02,269
number one go-to for me yeah I think

934
00:42:05,259 --> 00:42:03,289
you're absolutely right

935
00:42:08,769 --> 00:42:05,269
but it to get to a stage where you have

936
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:08,779
a good at least appreciation of interest

937
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:11,660
in skepticism all right now in my day it

938
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,150
was the odd book and TV specials and

939
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:16,440
things like that

940
00:42:19,850 --> 00:42:18,030
the older I got the more books I would

941
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:19,860
get then suddenly the interview exploded

942
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:21,020
everywhere and I can look up any

943
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:23,730
documentary on YouTube I like so earlier

944
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:26,040
on what piqued your interest in this

945
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,050
skepticism

946
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:30,240
I'd have to say early on it was it was

947
00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:33,230
definitely my interest in atheism and

948
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:36,600
reading Richard Dawkins book The God

949
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:39,360
Delusion right and that sort of led on

950
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:41,700
to me questioning a lot of other things

951
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:46,470
and that developed into hunger for

952
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:50,370
knowledge really the more I learned

953
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:52,290
about the way the world actually works

954
00:42:58,070 --> 00:42:55,020
the more I wanted to know and it just

955
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,080
kind of snowballed really and and and

956
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,720
it's been a fantastic journey and so

957
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:02,700
yeah that the more the more I learned

958
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:04,380
the more I want I agree with you it's

959
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:06,930
it's endlessly fascinating from

960
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,110
everything from from aliens to zombies

961
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:12,240
you know a new big of the alphabet and

962
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:13,140
what about you sir

963
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:14,730
I mean wait do you go if you're

964
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:17,490
interested in a skeptical topic well

965
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:21,600
I've not been ever a computer on or a

966
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:24,390
smartphone on or TV or on a cell phone

967
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:27,570
but I'm teaching a class of prospective

968
00:43:33,830 --> 00:43:30,540
uni students at the moment on research

969
00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:33,840
skills and they're and I'm just advising

970
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:38,100
them to to avoid Wikipedia and blogs and

971
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:42,180
so on and and to go for government

972
00:43:52,610 --> 00:43:46,950
sources like the ABS trusted sources

973
00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:52,620
were that collect data and and report at

974
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:54,750
that her in a scientific manner

975
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,619
probably very sound advice thank you

976
00:44:03,690 --> 00:44:01,359
hello we've got a visitor here from the

977
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:03,700
United States hello sir hi thing on

978
00:44:08,009 --> 00:44:05,710
really well where are you from from

979
00:44:09,539 --> 00:44:08,019
Michigan what's that like I've never

980
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:09,549
been to Michigan would you recommend it

981
00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:12,970
as a tourist destination yeah I mean you

982
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:14,680
know got the Great Lakes and the Upper

983
00:44:18,779 --> 00:44:16,510
Peninsula is really beautiful you know I

984
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:18,789
mean you can go canoeing and kayaking

985
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:20,440
and all that kind of thing Mackinac

986
00:44:24,839 --> 00:44:23,109
islands really nice it sounds great

987
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:24,849
now that we're asking people tonight

988
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:26,230
because we had an interesting talk about

989
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:28,210
getting information on the internet if

990
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:30,250
you are interested in a sceptical topic

991
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:31,930
for example or a topic to do with

992
00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:34,410
humanism or something like that

993
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:36,760
what's your first port of call I mean

994
00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:38,440
you naturally just jump onto Google or

995
00:44:44,549 --> 00:44:41,430
do you go to YouTube or what do you do

996
00:44:46,579 --> 00:44:44,559
it depends on the nature of the

997
00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:46,589
questioning you know because I feel like

998
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:50,109
well when I was taking college classes I

999
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:52,690
had a professor and he said that some

1000
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,140
things some things are okay too you know

1001
00:44:59,999 --> 00:44:57,760
wiki you know get on with the PD and

1002
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:00,009
look them up but then some things you

1003
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,650
need more in-depth sources you know and

1004
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:04,680
and I totally agree with that because I

1005
00:45:09,029 --> 00:45:07,420
read books more than I watch like

1006
00:45:11,549 --> 00:45:09,039
YouTube videos and stuff really

1007
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,559
and so I think a lot of it depends on

1008
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:14,079
how you learn best you know like little

1009
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:15,910
snippets of information I don't really

1010
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:18,569
like am I like a lot of information so

1011
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:23,380
just you know when I flew in I I had

1012
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:25,690
been listening to an audiobook the whole

1013
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,450
way here and I'm listening to one right

1014
00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:30,880
now huh audiobooks that's a very good

1015
00:45:35,009 --> 00:45:31,900
point you bring up there they're a

1016
00:45:37,259 --> 00:45:35,019
wonderful source of information yeah the

1017
00:45:39,809 --> 00:45:37,269
one I'm reading right now is a guy named

1018
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:39,819
Matt Simon it's called the plight of the

1019
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:41,890
Living Dead you know how real-life

1020
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,250
zombies uh it's got a real like zombies

1021
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:47,440
and what they tell us about you know

1022
00:45:50,849 --> 00:45:49,210
ourselves basically I can't remember the

1023
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:50,859
exact name of the title but you get the

1024
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:53,880
picture it's all about real-life zombies

1025
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:57,670
you know because there's certain fungi

1026
00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:00,880
out there though manipulate ants and

1027
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:02,470
stuff and they're doing things so they

1028
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:06,760
can keep reproducing and I don't know

1029
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:08,230
man it's just all really interesting and

1030
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:10,330
if I feel like if I was looking that

1031
00:46:14,609 --> 00:46:13,060
stuff up on Wikipedia I just it just

1032
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:14,619
wouldn't resonate with me like it does

1033
00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:16,990
with a book that's a really good point

1034
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:18,820
so what do you books is something you'd

1035
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:20,710
recommend oh yeah totally

1036
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:23,890
thank you all right thank you

1037
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:38,660
I'm Nick West in my podcast tells from

1038
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:39,810
the rabbit-hole I have extended

1039
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:41,250
conversations with people who have been

1040
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:43,560
involved in conspiracy culture I did

1041
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:45,030
this for a couple of reasons firstly

1042
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:46,290
because it's really interesting these

1043
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,970
people have great stories about how they

1044
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,680
fell down the conspiracy theory rabbit

1045
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:51,540
hole what they did down there and what

1046
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:53,340
it was that helped them out sometimes I

1047
00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:54,540
also talked to people to investigate

1048
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,950
conspiracy theories and they have

1049
00:46:59,810 --> 00:46:57,480
equally fascinating stories from the

1050
00:47:01,070 --> 00:46:59,820
other side secondly I want to understand

1051
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:01,080
how best to prevent the spread of

1052
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,490
conspiracy theories and misinformation

1053
00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:04,560
which is an increasing problem in a time

1054
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:07,080
when alternative media is exploding the

1055
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:08,490
best way to do this is to communicate

1056
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:10,830
effectively with the people involved and

1057
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:12,990
the best way to do that with a nice long

1058
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:14,970
chat check it out

1059
00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:19,210
tales from the rabbit hole TFG RH com

1060
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:39,950
now here's a rather somber note this

1061
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:43,170
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1062
00:47:47,810 --> 00:47:45,660
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1064
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1065
00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:53,160
have heard in big in books this is a

1066
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wonderful book shop in Melbourne is

1067
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closing down on June the 22nd in bigan

1068
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has been a perennial presence on

1069
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skeptical bookshelves and at skeptic

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conventions from their beginning on

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Queensland's Sunshine Coast to their

1072
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more recent presence in Melbourne

1073
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refusing to stop pseudoscience

1074
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they have promoted science and

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00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:14,130
skepticism relentlessly with the trials

1076
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of the book trade and publishing in

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general have finally caught up so send

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in big enough with pride and at least a

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little cash in the pocket around 2 197

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little Lonsdale Street in the middle of

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Melbourne and buy a box load of books

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I'll never forget the time I know one

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was a 2012 maybe I was in big in books

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with James Randi and Maynard and Randy

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took great delight looking around the

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book shops of in bigan books no doubt

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finding some of his own publications but

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while we were there Andy did one of his

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famous mentalism tricks on may not wear

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may not selected a book from a shelf

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found a word and Randy using his amazing

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powers told Maynard what word he'd found

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and I don't think that this day may not

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as recovered great times we've had it in

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bigger books over the years

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone I'm still on secret assignment here

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undercover well in an undercover car

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park cars make interesting recording

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booths I think coming up on the skeptics

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zone I don't know I can't look into the

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future reports from the United States

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because that's where I'm heading

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I'm heading there tomorrow in fact oh

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the joys of that flight over the Pacific

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but in the future I can look into we

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have a couple of meetings coming up at

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social skeptics Canberra with a link in

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this week's show notes to meet up one

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about the misconceptions about

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beekeeping on Thursday the 13th of June

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now that would be an interesting one I

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know my friend dr. eugenie Scott would

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love to see that one

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the basic requirement for productive bee

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colony management are large food

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reserves of pollen and honey and at all

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times the space for those reserves brood

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rearing and the storage of surplus honey

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get buzzing over at the Canberra

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skeptics again link in this week's show

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I don't know what's going on here that's

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exciting

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coming up on the 16th of July we have

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another talk what cognitive psychology

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can tell us about why we lay awake

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worrying at night I often lay awake

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worrying about this show and that's from

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6:00 p.m. and that's all about why we

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worry about things and insomnia and

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that'll be a talk by Bronwyn milken's

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head over to the meetup for the Canberra

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skeptics to find out more about those

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two fascinating talks coming up well I'm

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looking forward to catching up with my

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dear friend dr. eugenie Scott in the San

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Francisco Bay Area and other skeptics

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I'll be visiting New Mexico for the

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first time to see Ben Radford that'll be

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good and whatever else I can get up to

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and hopefully my dear dear lovely

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wonderful reporters will be sending me

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some reports we can all enjoy but for

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this week this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from a secret location

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00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:49,430
Sydney Australia you've been listening

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00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:52,430
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00:52:00,010 --> 00:51:56,960
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00:52:06,190 --> 00:52:03,520
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00:52:18,490 --> 00:52:15,140
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00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:18,500
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00:52:22,810 --> 00:52:20,870
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00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:22,820
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00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:25,010
expressed on the skeptic zone are not

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necessarily those of Australian skeptics

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00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:30,090
or any other sceptical organization

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00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:44,120
hello everybody who listens after the

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00:52:48,830 --> 00:52:46,770
music video afterthought people who like

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to play the dice game joining me today

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to play the dice game has been Radford

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who you heard earlier in the show hello

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again Ben hello hello there hello

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alright Ben it's quite simple I've got a

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10 sided die here there it is rattling

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around I'm gonna roll it three times and

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we're gonna get our listeners to use

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their psychic magic predicting power to

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predict what number will come up and you

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00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:11,070
can play along too so I'm gonna give it

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a good shake now and Ben what's your

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first prediction I'm gonna say six six

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okay here it comes

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seven oh do I get points for being close

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00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:30,270
yeah yeah almost okay let's roll number

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one roll number two what's your

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prediction ah it's a d-10 I'm gonna go

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00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,350
but they're they're failing in real-time

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00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:50,880
this is so mortifying it's embarrassing

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00:54:00,280 --> 00:53:56,760
okay what let's go okay um five five

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okay here we go shake shake shake and

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one again Ben the money is not yours

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this time well next time mr. Saunders